|| S: Im speaking to Brian Hagemann,
who is the Director of Unknown Covert Network
Operations here in the Control Center. Theres, ah, I can count six computer
screens without turning my head. Actually, were hiding The Unknown
presently, on a Peace-Ed server. But I think thats appropriate, since so
much of The Unknown is about peace, and about education.|
B: It is?
S: And you actually have a degree in peace, dont you?
B: A degree in Education, and a certificate in Peace
S: So, that was pretty much our main concern with a technologist,
was that he be concerned with peace, which is one of the major factors
involved in The Unknown.
B: See, I didnt realize that.
S: Ah, at first it was all about decadence, but were past that
B: Well, people go through that phase.
S: WereIm not quite sure if we have like a fall, or if we started
out fallen and had a rise. I dont knowwhat do you figure?
D: It seems pretty clear to me that we started out in the depths
of degradation, sank lower, and then eventually have made a gradual upturn.
S: So now, were trying to write good Unknown stuff.
B: What were you trying to do before?
S: Well, we were, I mean, were not talking about the quality of
the writing, as much as the quality of the characters,
ah, who are involved, who are us.
D: Pretty much the first few chapters of The Unknown paint
us as self-involved, arrogant assholes, doing what we can to upset people,
and being as rude as possible.
B: And youre saying that was not your intent?
S: I think that was our intent.
D: That was our intent at the beginning, oh yeah, definitely.
S: But now its gotten so . . . sick and decadent. Were trying
to bring a social consciousness to the whole piece as well. Thats why
were going to go around the country, planting grass with MacArthur Fellows.
B: MacArthur Fellows? Whats that?
S: Theyre these big fellowships. Genius
grants. Whichin The Unknown, we go to apply for one, then
they take one look at us and decide that we arent geniuses. But they
do give us the addresses of the people whove received these grants, so
we go around the country, ah
B: Asking em for money?
S: Well, crashing at their places, usually. Sometimes planting
grass with them.
B: Well, it doesnt take a genius to know to plant grass.
S: Yeah, it doesnt, but, ah, theres money there.
B: Uh huh. See this as a future for yourself, planting grass?
S: Well, I think when we actually do the actual book tour, were
going to try to work out some grass planting along the way, too.
B: SoThe Unknownis it about the book before the book
comes out, or is it the book?
S: Its about the book . . . tour.
B: Which hasnt happened.
S: Which hasnt happened yet.
B: Because theres no book yet.
S: Well, there is no book yet, thats true. There is
B: That could present a problem for your tour. Where are you gonna
S: See, we do have all the book written, though. We have the book
written, we just dont have it
B: So, you could show it to people, and then sign their autograph.
S: On the actual, actual tour, we will actually have books with
B: Oh, okay.
S: On the tour that we describe in the hypertext, of course, we
were fictional characters, rather than ourselves. Although at points,
we are ourselves. We keep popping out of being our characters and
B: Does that present a problem for you, in the real world?
S: Uh, yeah. Who am I?
S: Im constantly asking myself that. Who am I? Who are these people
that I know? I always forget peoples names. Sometimes I forget my
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